When Will USPS VERA Announcements Come, What Will be Offered, and Who Will Be Eligible?

The volume of traffic on this blog clearly has shown the interest among Postal Service employees on possible opportunities for early retirement and incentives. While the leaks last week indicated that an announcement was coming the end of last week, it did not happen. I apologize for giving false hope to Postal Service employees who are looking to taking early retirement.

Now the rumor mill is suggesting an announcement on Monday or Tuesday. As the discussion below indicates, an announcement about early retirements coming early this week fits the Postal Service’s current plan to implement the network restructuring in the second half of June, 2012. Any further delay in announcing early retirement incentives could force the implantation date closer to the end of June or possibly into July.

What Has Not Changed

In trying to understand what Postal employees are likely to hear in the next few weeks it is important to understand the three drivers of the timing of Postal Service announcements of early retirement incentives, reassignments and layoffs.

  • The Postal Service’s plan to change the service standard sometime between May 15 and Jun 15, 2012.
  • The Postal Service’s plan to close most facilities slated for consolidation by June 30, 2012, with some closing a week or two earlier.
  • Union contract requirements for 60-days of notice about reassignments over long distances.

Also news stories are consistent that the Postal Service will cut its employment by around 35,000 through a combination of early retirement incentives, layoffs, and “voluntary” separation of employees who find available positions after the network optimization unacceptable. (Source: Government Employee News and Federal Times)

How the Facility Closure Timing Affects Voluntary Early Retirement announcements

If one assumes that the Postal Service gives employees a month to decide to take an early retirement offer, than the timing of the network restructuring and union contract reassignment notification requirements forces an announcement of a VERA sometime between March 16 and March 23, 2012 depending upon how much time the Postal Service needs to prepare reassignment notices after it knows how many employees accepted a VERA.

The March 16 to March 23 time frame comes from working back from a Friday, June 22, plant closing date. With that closing date, the Postal Service has to provide notice about long-distant reassignments by April 23, 2012 to meet contract requirements and not have employees sitting around in closed plants without a new assignment. To make a reasonable set of assignments, the Postal Service needs to know how many employees are going to accept a VERA before that date, which means the end of the period for accepting a VERA has to come no later than during the week of April 16. This deadline forces an announcement of VERA to a date approximately a month earlier than

If one assumes that the Postal Service provides employees a month to decide whether to accept a VERA offer, then the announcement of a VERA has to come sometime between last March 16 (last Friday), and March 23.

Ideally for Postal Service it would want as much time as possible to adjust reassignments which is what made the rumored March 16 announcement date quite credible. Given the problems of timing, the Postal Service would appear to have little choice but to announce its retirement incentive packages early this week. This fits into what a number of posters have indicated.

Does the Postal Service Still Need to Reduce its Workforce by 35,000?

No. Since the Postal Service announced its network restructuring normal attrition has reduced the Postal Service’s workforce. A good example of the impact of attrition was reported by the Lincoln Journal Star (Lincoln NE) whose March 1, 2012 story quoted Lincoln Postmaster Kerry Kowalski telling employees that:

We were originally looking at impacting 24 positions. But we’ve had attrition since then and subsequently made other changes. And right now, we think the impact will be 16 or 17 individuals will have to move to different positions.

While in this instance as many as 1/3 of the job losses are already banked, there is no guarantee that the same is true elsewhere. However, it is reasonable to assume that the Postal Service expects that around 15-20% of the 35,000 reduction in head count, or between 5,250 and 7,000 employees would leave the Postal Service on their own. This reduces pressure on management to encourage employees to retire or find reassignments.

What Will the Incentives Be?

The challenge for the Postal Service is offering incentives that are large enough to actually get people to retire yet small enough that it can afford to pay them.

In a story earlier this year, the Federal Times noted that a $20,000 buyout offer attracted 1,800 takers in 2011 as part of an effort to eliminate 7,500 management and administrative positions. The story suggests that even a relatively small incentive is sufficient to induce managers to retire rather than face a reassignment process or firing. Also, it also suggests that if the Postal Service can find an incentive that will induce about a quarter of the 35,000 employees it wants to lose to retire, it should be able to find a way to reduce its workforce without too many layoffs.

The question then is what incentive can the Postal Service offer that will convince at least 10,000 Service employees to retire with most of these early retirees coming from members of the APWU and Mail Handlers Union.

Many Postal Service employees would like incentives similar to what Ford has offered to its UAW member employees.  Under its contract with the UAW, Ford offered early retirement bonuses of $50,000 to eligible production workers and $100,000 to skilled-trades workers. This is not going to happen.  Incentives of this size are not permitted by federal law and even if it were legal the Postal Service does not have the cash to make such an offer.

Information leaked suggests that the incentive will take one of three forms:

  • The Postal Service will offer a $20,000 cash incentive divided into two payments, one paid upon retirement and the second paid in October of 2012.   This is similar to the incentive that it offered management employees last year
  • The Postal Service will offer no added cash but will add 2 years credit for CSRS employees and 5 year credit for FERS.  There is some question as to the legality of adding years of service credit but if it is legal, offering additional credit increases the pool of employees eligible for early retirement incentives and would help the Postal Service meet its head count reduction goals.
  • The Postal Service will offer different incentives to CSRS and FERS employees.  CSRS employees will be offered 3 years of service credit plus $20,000 to be paid over two years.  FERS employees will be offered the opportunity to retire early but will be given no incentive to do so.

Based on what has been leaked so far, it would appear that the Postal Service will offer as generous an incentive package as it can offer to its most senior employees (i.e. CSRS employees).  It is less clear what FERS employees will be offered at this time.

Who Will Receive Retirement Offers Now

Right now, the Postal Service will focus its incentives on crafts and non-craft positions directly impacted by the network optimization.  This includes members of the APWU and Mail Handlers Union, Supervisors of mail processing and retail operations, and EAS employees that are employed in mail processing facilities.  It is possible that EAS employees at Area and district offers may also be offered incentives to retire in order to free up positions for plant management employees that are too young to accept early retirement incentives.

Employees that will not be eligible for early retirement incentives now will include city and rural carriers, and employees at Postal Service headquarters.    Some posts on the web indicate that incentives for city carriers will be offered to NALC members during the late summer with the timing of the retirement incentive announcement depending upon conclusion of the NALC arbitration.   There is too much uncertainty about NALC early retirement incentives to make any further comment now.

For additional information see the previous post on this topic:

USPS Early Retirement, RIF, and Reasignments Rumors

Next post on this topic:

Politics, Network Optimization and Early Retirement

 

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93 Responses to “When Will USPS VERA Announcements Come, What Will be Offered, and Who Will Be Eligible?”

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  1. pelican says:

    I have 30 years in I cannot retire for a lausy 3 years you idiot. Mortage, college ect. It would take at least 5 yeears and even then i would need a part time job. As for the attrition , you have your head up your arse to think they get 300000 out a year boob bottom line last clerk contract that was signed gave donahue the right to hire 30 hour clerks at 14 an hour hes got 3 years to get rid of 165000 you idiot get your fact s straight

    • LWF says:

      Your the boob. Its not the writers fault that you stared so young at the PO, or waited to have children so late. Quit blaming your situation on others.

    • PostalDick says:

      Learn how to spell and punctuate. Have you ever heard of run-on sentences? I see you have.

      As far as idiots, anyone who puts any stock in what this guy says is an idiot. He’s guessing and people are hanging on his every word.

    • R says:

      Calm down Pelican, before you call someone and idiot, learn proper grammar and how to spell. Just because this proposal doesn’t meet your expectations and needs, doesn’t mean he’s an idiot. If it doesn’t work for you, don’t go; period!

  2. florida postal worker says:

    thanks for the informative updates.while i’m sure that all the opinions, rumors and facts may not pan out to come true,but this is a great guideline to what we may expect to come in the next few months. i appears certain that something major, or a series of major announcements are forthcomingas a csrs employee with 32 years in,i hope an incentive package that is worth it comes our way soon..i appreciate your efforts

  3. Dave says:

    Service credits are even legal!!! And even the Congress has not ever discussed FIVE years!! C’mon give us realistic possibilities or just don’t print anything!!

  4. NC says:

    I would be happy to take the 3 years and $20,000. I just wish it would allow for an earlier departure instead of waiting till June or July. If we could just get rid of our abusive station manager it would make the stay so much better and doable. Thank you for trying to get information out to all of us that are eager to go.

    • Fred Flintstone says:

      “I would be happy to take the 3 years and $20,000.

      I think you’ll be slightly disappointed to learn that the offer will be either the added time OR the cash but undoubtedly NOT BOTH.

  5. Josh says:

    People coming from a state convention last week said guffey said he refuses to agree to a Vera until all jobs agreed to in the contract are back. I am hopeful since right now we are all going to be carriers but I’m skeptical since a Vera makes way too much sense

    • florida postal worker says:

      if this is true, we need to contact mr guffey. he is wrong for screwing with our future. how do we substantiate this?

  6. iheardthisbefore says:

    That is quite a fantasy land that you have created there….
    Exactly where is the USPS going to get the CASH to do this marvelous charitable act for it’s employees, and where are they going to get the POLITICAL SUPPORT FOR CHANGES IN THE LAW necessary to implement these “years added” to FERS and CSRS eligible employees when the ONLY LIKELY LAW TO COME OUT OF CONGRESS IS THE ISSA/ROSS BILL…and even THAT will be next year???

    • Jean says:

      Congress has already agreed to give the Postal Service a 7.5 Billion Dollar overpayment that was made into FERS, don’t get this confused with the larger overpayment that the Postal Service has been trying to get back from the Civil Service overpayment. This is where the money will come from for the incentives.

  7. Your article was very informative. Thank you. I am waiting for some kind of worthwhile incentive
    to get out of the PO. I see light at the end of the tunnel.

  8. Disgruntled says:

    Thanks for all the anger Pelican, reminds me of work!

    As we set back and wait everyone has to admit it will be interesting to see the Postal System, easily the most disfunctional management system in America, attempt to change course. Big Mo’ (Momentum) has run this place (adaquately?) for years. Now we are about to change course? Words will not be able to describe the confusion that this will create and the incompetence it will uncover. No one outside the system can understand how this will expose the incompetence of management at every level. This is like asking folsom prison inmates to sponsor a world wide physics conference. Maybe a half dozen out of the whole lot nationwide are prepared to preform their job.

  9. Sucka says:

    With the eventual arbitration of the NALC contract, all PTF carriers will be converted into Non Traditional Full Time Employees (Regulars)with a no lay off clause similar to APWU. This would allow the smooth transfer of APWU members who lose their postions due to restructuring while maintaining their status as Regulars with the no lay off clause. For this consideration, USPS will be allowed to hire a certain percentage of Postal Support Employees(PSE) into the carrier craft( 10-20%). Thus, it would make sense to offer incentives to the highest paid CSRS/FERS Carriers and hire PSE’s at a much lower rate. The no later than separation date is September 30, 2012/2013.

  10. urbanator says:

    Hey Pelican,
    Maybe in the next 5 years, and before you get that part time job, you can go back to school to beef up on your spelling and grammar. At least you spelled idiot correctly.

  11. carol johnson says:

    Would this include Postmasters?

    • Alan Robinson says:

      So far there has been no indication that postmasters would be included in any early retirement incentive. They might be included only if th USPS wants to open up positions to employees that are too young to retire.

  12. Pahu3 says:

    OK let me ask a question. IF the USPS wants to get rid of all these people and actually their goal is over 120,000 by 2014 then why not make the VERA offer to all USPS and USPIS employess that are CSRS and FERS eligible. Why only target the group of employees who are being affected by closings? If you would allow ALL eligible to consider the VERA it would result in more that might go and also open up positions for those that will not be able to go in the affected areas. This way it will reduce the possiblility of a RIF that encompasses a large amount of employees. I have 33 years of service and will turn 53 on March 26. I am a CSRS employee and work for the US Postal Inspection Service. I would go if offered now. I hope you are wrong and the VERA is opened up to ALL eligible CSRS and FERS.

    • Alan Robinson says:

      This is a good question. However right now the USPS is focussing on mail processing and retail operations. Also you may have a unique skill working for the Inspection Service that will be needed even if the network is smaller.

  13. RedSoxFan says:

    This guy writes articles like a guy predicting the end of the world… When he gets a date wrong he makes excuses then predicts a different date….When that date fails he will try another and another… The End is Near…. Just not for us… Wait for Congress to do something and not until then will any kind of Early Retirement happen… Wake up!!!! The USPS doesn’t have the money until we get some of our over payments back…. It’s simple math…..

    • florida postal worker says:

      why are you complaining about a man who is doing his best to inform us?
      stop complaining about it… do something. question mr guffey about why he may be stopping the dea…
      and… contact your senators supporting s_1789.

  14. Tony says:

    How about small towm Pm’s? Will they be offered a VERA?

    • Alan Robinson says:

      Nothing has been discussed about postmasters. Postmasters will be included in any early retirement incentive that the USPS does if it wants to open up positions for younger employees. The issue for small town postmasters is sometimes they are hard to replace.

  15. jay says:

    If you have 30 years of service and are under the CSRS, you should be forced out to make room for a new generation of postal employees

    • hawki says:

      Some of us 30+ employees will stay around just so you can watch us get special treatment. Seniority does have some benefits.

    • Charlie says:

      Sorry about your bad luck Rookie! Not leaving without an incentive!

    • Timothy says:

      Hey Jay, what a lawsuit you would have if they listened to you. Did you ever hear of
      Equal Opportunity for Employment??

      • Scoot says:

        You are right. They could never force you out, but they could, say, give you the option to retire or convert to FERS.

    • porter says:

      jay I’ve been paying my dues a hellava lot longer than you obviously have, I was here when the last buy out was offered and taken by carriers much older than me at that time. Some went, some didn’t and it didn’t effect me because I didn’t have the time to retire. But biotches like you that have no idea of seniority or of waiting for your time to come, because you’re too young or you haven’t worked near as long as senior carriers, cry the loudest. I’ve taken and lived through more Postal shjt than you ever have or will and I’ve earned the right to go or not go depending entirely on what I want to do and not what some crying puzzey like you thinks. Maybe I’ll stick around just to peiz you and those like you off. lmao, kma, fuah. Love ya, mean it.

    • Rick says:

      How long have you been in? No one should be forced out!

      • leebren says:

        Jay, I have 34 years CSRS carrier, I am 52 1/2 years old, take away the penalty and I will go tomorrow, happy to let you have my place Mr. young guy.

  16. steve says:

    I would think that any good offer depends on an action by Congress to release the overpayment to the FERS retirement fund. The PO by law can offer no more than 25 K and 5 years service time and age to reach the 55_30 minimum.
    There is a bill sitting in the Senate which would allow the PO to add 1 yr. CSRS and 2 yrs FERS service credit. Hopefully the Senate will get off their butts and get something positive done

    • florida postal worker says:

      the only thing we can do is contact our senators and support s- 1789….
      this comes to full senate within 10 days, according to harry reid…
      all talk, people need to contact senators NOW.

    • crusty old clerk says:

      I think you are right about th 25K and 5 yrs service time but they cannot add anything to your age. Under CSRS you get hit with 2% for each year you are under 55 and I don’t think that penalty has ever been waived.

  17. valerie says:

    I’m confused. How come Alan Robinson (author of above) sounds so confidant and has this information although no official source is posting it? Who IS Alan Robinson? where does he get his information from? does anyone know where the official announcement is? Alan , can you show us where you get your information from?

    • florida postal worker says:

      alan is a man who pays attention.how dare you attack someone who chooses to inform and help postal workers !

  18. Randall says:

    Why offer $20,000.00 up front. If they would just agree to pay $1,000.00 per month for 20 months a lot of people would be willing to go. That way the incentive to leave would come out of the money saved from getting rid of the extra employees. No upfront costs to the USPS, but I know several Postal Workers that would accept that offer.

  19. Stephen P. says:

    Whatever the Post Office does, it should target those people who are in their 60′s, 70′s and 80′s.
    Many people, including myself, who are in their 50′s are not going no matter what they offer because as long as we have kids we support through high school and college, we would only be hurting ourselves if we go early. So get the old timers out of here and that will make more room for us youngsters.

  20. hawki says:

    I really don’t know where Mr. Robinson gets his information….I don’t care. I am not waiting much longer to retire..what’s a measley $15 or $20k anyway, especially after taxes. Just wanted to say I am embarrassed at the spelling on this site! Don’t you people have spell check on your phones?

  21. Jake says:

    How can they discrimate from csrs and fers? They have to offer same to both this is America let’s not go back 50 years in time ok.

    • florida postal worker says:

      they are allowed to offer incentives to whoever they chose. it’s not discrimination, it’s business.

  22. Porchrd says:

    IT IS GOOD TO SEE THAT YOU ALL FEEL THE WAY ABOUT MANAGEMENT THE SAME AS I DO.

    ANYBODY IN BUSINESS HALF OF A BR WITH

  23. Porchrd says:

    Im glad to see that the majority of you fellow employees feel the same way about management as I do. Anyone in business with half a brain and wants to succeed when their company is failing knows you have got to cut the fat. This means getting rid of overpaid non-productive managers. To state it bluntly if you do not handle the mail then you should be eliminated. It is the workers who process and deliver the mail to the customers.

    The problem is that when we voice our opinion it tends to fall on deaf ears. Our messages are not getting out to the right people. Too many managers are costing the demise of the USPS. Think of the millions of dollars wasted that could be put to those who wish to have an early retirement.

  24. M. Jamison says:

    Can you provide a reliable source for anything you’ve written? Exactly how do you account for the fact that some of your assertions lack any basis in law or regulation?
    You’re adding to an atmosphere of anxiety in a most egregious way. I certainly hope you are more ethical than to post unsubstantiated speculation merely to drive web traffic.

  25. Slim says:

    Since December, 2011 the definition of Postmaster has changed enabling smaller offices to be run by a newly created APWU Lead Clerk who is able to do administrative functions. With this in mind, and also the degree of Napus and League involvement with the Early Out discussions (reported by each Association on their websites), wouldn’t it be to the Postal Services advantage to make this change quickly? The way it is written out is there will be a “Regional Postmaster” who will have Level 18 and below offices under his or her wing. With the DUO program this will make this change much easier, as most offices will be lowered in level. Do you have any thought on this, as I have heard that Postmasters in particular would be targeted for this reason? Thanks, and I enjoy your article.

    • Alan Robinson says:

      If that is a lower cost option it of course makes sense. What probably makes more sense is setting up a rational franchise system. Neither contract post offices nor village post offices are that.

  26. Tim says:

    for FER, offter 25K plus 5 years services, I definitely take it.

  27. all choked up says:

    Station managers, Postmansters everywhere must be the same!!!! 24 years in as city carrier, and they are not likely to give us JACK, because we are the ones who actually touch the mail. I wish they would give management incentive soon, so some of us can have a little peace of mind in between the next boss, hopefully they will all be better.

  28. locolizard says:

    As a 50 year old with 27 years under FERS, I have to look at all offers. If they eliminate the FERS supplement this year and if they offer partial retirement that may be the way to go. Without the annuity supplement we would be required to work at the very least until 62 maybe longer if they changed the soc security age and who’s to say the USPS will still be in play. Times are changing and all offers must be looked at.

  29. Moose Limbs says:

    The NAPUS National Office has been hearing from many Postmasters concerning rumors about Voluntary Early Retirements (VERs) and retirement incentives for those who are eligible to retire.  The official announcement from the Postal Service on VER’s or incentives for retirement eligible employees is tentatively scheduled for sometime the week of March 16th through March 23rd,an official announcement will be made by the Postal Service.  You can be assured that your NAPUS leaders are involved with postal leaders and nothing will be published until it is official.

  30. Veronica says:

    Please stop this ridiculous speculation about what is forthcoming. I’m sick of it!

  31. florida postal worker says:

    check out the postal reporter .com website… i believe the first story up, 1st comment on top..it’s from NAPUS…. saying the early out/incentive announcement will be made officially
    march 16 – march 23 rd… sometime in that week. THIS WEEK.
    alan, you are correct.

  32. Craig says:

    Thanks Alan for your efforts. I hope you are wrong and offer the first round to letter carriers I’d be gone!

  33. quit worrying about bing forced into a carrier spot. what makes you think
    there is going to be a lot of carrier positions to fill? in fact, when saturday
    delivery gets cut you will have carriers forced into clerk craft jobs.
    donahoe and his cronies would like us all to believe that in june or july massive plants will be closed and all displaced people will then be placed. the reality is months and months
    of work need to be done to lay the groundwork for clerks to be placed into
    residual jobs. the chairman of the postal regulatory commission recently said her
    people know of no consolidations that will take place before august.
    besides, congress could eventually get their act together and kill donahoe’s
    whole plan by not allowing the service standards to be reduced. i know the congress thing
    is a long shot considering the incompetent, lazy fools we have representing us, but it is still possible.

  34. Small Town Postmaster says:

    Mr. Robinson, you are extremely uninformed about small town postmasters. There is no difficulty in replacing them. For every PM position, you get 20 or 30 candidates and almost anyone can fill these positions. You are also forgetting that there are 3000+ offices on the closure list. Many EAS postmasters are not eligible for the VERA and unless other postmasters are offered VERA to open up positions, these employees will be RIF’d, a process that is more expensive than a VERA.

    • Alan Robinson says:

      Thanks for providing me with more information about what is really going on out there. I just keep reading about small post offices closing when a postmaster retires. I guess those are outliers. I will not make that assumption again.

  35. Civil servant says:

    6.9B of FERS overpayment, 1.7B earmarked for staff reduction….. Get it.??

    Where is the beeeeeef? You will see it soon.

    The writing has been on the wall, USPS MUST downsize or go bankrupt, that simple. You may have been working for the USPS for the last 40 years, finally, the REAL change is coming, NOW.

  36. norb says:

    This artical addresses things in the form of speculation. But the facts are that nobody knows
    what is going to happen. Best advice: have alternative plans in place for yourself, when it all comes down. Don’t move prematurely and loose your seniority. Reserch your retirement options. pay your bills off, at least what you can. Good luck!

  37. Frank says:

    The Post Office is in deep trouble if the smart employees retire and the only ones left are the ones like Pelican. Good luck to the rest of you.

  38. Dave says:

    Where to get the money for the incentives?

    The EAS employees (including Postmasters) don’t receive a COLA or automatic pay increase each fiscal year. They receive pay increases based on NPA and the Performance Evaluation System each year…but only if they are successful in their objectives set at the beginning of the FY. Headquarters suspended all raises for these employees for FY 2011 which was to be paid in January 2012. Big bucks there. Probably $3-10 million per District, not to mention Area offices and HQ employees. Where did that money go? Maybe the money will be used for retirement incentives.

    Postmasters should be included in the incentives if they want to get rid of them to open positions for those employees that are not retirement age. That’s my two cents.

  39. Tom says:

    Alan, I enjoy your informed speculation. How about a post about what might happen if USPS does not or cannot put together an incentive package? I think a VERA very soon is a slam dunk, but I think it would be insufficient to get enough people to leave without an additional incentive. So what happens if the facility closures happen with way too many people still on the rolls? Massive standby time?

    • Alan Robinson says:

      If the USPS cannot offer incentives because it cannot afford them, then it may “force” more emloyees to chose not to continue working at the USPS as the only positions avaialble will be too far away

  40. mh says:

    Alan reads between the lines…like many of us do. If you don’t like what he writes…then don’t read it. The attitudes of some people on here speak to the very root cause of much of the dissension in the USPS, the “Us VS them” attitude… Are there bad managers?, yes. Are there GOOD managers?…yes. Are there policies handed down with a cookie cutter approach that ties managers hands?, Yes. Does that create frustration for both management and craft…of course it does. Union leadership digs in their heels…and USPS leadership then does the same.

    I could go on and on, but the fact is, the USPS, as any of us that have been around for 20 plus years knows it, is OVER…and those of us that have stuck around are not going to get the same offers/incentives that our co-workers of the past have. Those of you that have less than 5-10 years in…you better make plans for BIG changes, and if you think the USPS owes you something because you CHOSE to come work here…thats not going to get you anywhere but dissapointed… The network MUST change…the entire system MUST change…but you don’t get there overnight, especially with congress now telling us what we can and can’t do. NO-ONE wants out more than me…believe me. Until the offer hits the tables, and of course, something is coming, we wait and wonder…Until then…lets do our jobs and serve the American people, who are the ones really paying our wages. That is the only job satisfaction left as I see it…

  41. Inplant says:

    ?The Postal Service’s plan to change the service standard sometime between May 15 and Jun 15, 2012.
    ?The Postal Service’s plan to close most facilities slated for consolidation by June 30, 2012, with some closing a week or two earlier.

    Alan, your dates are close:
    April 5th we will announce the Service Standard change to take effect on May 19th.

    We will start closing the smaller plants around the second week in June – August 31. We will stop as to not effect the election ballots 8/31 and resume again in February 2013.

  42. Tom says:

    First things first. Isn’t this discussion putting the cart b-4 the horse? Congress needs to get behind a real plan. Someone in the administration needs Donahoe to fall on the sword. Then senisible legislators (oxymoron, like postal management) need to create blue ribbon committee
    to review postal operations and look for new revenue streams (email, ecommerce, fullfillment, etc.) Also, comittee needs to look into the false support to direct ‘bulk’ mailers at discounts that have raped the USPS coffers and created profiteers who pocket the cash USPS losses.

  43. john says:

    No CSRS will consider just 1 yr added as an incentive in this economy. It is almost like a slap in the face for everything we have had to put up with over the years from incompentent Postal Management. Who ever is in charge of this so called incentive better add a lot more years to the incentive or they will get the very same results they have gotten in the past which is near nothing. They will only be paying the ones that we going to go anyway, so there is really no incentive, just wasted effort and resources. If you want to give an incentive, give all of CSRS employess 5 yrs added to their total service time and you will get the desired results and be able to restructure the Postal Service in a fashion that will benefit the service and employees that are left to run the organization. Of course you will also have to restructure the way you promote people if you expect to survive once you have done the buy out of CSRS. It can not be business as usual with promotions…and we all know what I am talking about here.

  44. Jake says:

    Ok we are all one and they cannot offer cs and fers 2 different offers. Let’s not go back 50 years eha

  45. Slim says:

    A little off topic here, but I see you’re an Orioles fan. I am an Indian fan, so somehow I can feel your pain. Good luck on the uncoming season, as hope springs eternal.

  46. Watcher says:

    I agree with what Florida Postal Worker said. Thank you for your efforts.

  47. mh says:

    You folks keep pinning all the problems on management…ignore the reductions in 1c mail…ignore the fact that the last contract is going to cost the service billions in replacing lower cost contract work with full time employees…ignore the facts that until we can adjust our rates to compete with the other guys we will be offering services at a loss…yup, just keep blaming management and bury your heads in the sand. Anyone read Bill Burris’ article about how much money the APWU is going to lose in dues when all these changes take place? If all you are doing is complaining about management, you obviously arent offering any viable solutions.

    If ALL you want are people who move the mail…fine. Who processes time cards for youm making sure you get the OT you have coming? Who makes sure you get your seniority based prime time vacation?

    Who processes the job bids so your seniority actually counts and you get the job/tour you have been waiting 13 years for?

    Who deals with the customers complaints when you misdeliver their mail 3 times in a row this week? Who makes sure you have a GOOD SUB on your route when you call in sick?

    Who schedules the mechanic to come out and put the chains on your LLV when you get caught in a spring blizzard? Who makes the sure that vicious dog on your route gets dealt with by animal control so you don’t get tore up by it like the gas company guy did?

    Nope…don’t need any managers, you guys and gals can make sure all that is taken care of after you put in 9.9 hours on a route…or work your non-sched day…just move the mail and everything else will take care of itself…

    • The Worker says:

      You are right. People who TOUCH THE MAIL do need a secretaries. Put an ad in the USA Today. Include all the tasks listed above + that listed below:

      Postal Secretary Wanted: wage $12-14 hourly, must work weekends and nights, 30 min. lunch, must deal with the public in a professonial manner.

      no supervision required as the carriers/clerks know what to do.
      no personal phone calls made on the clock.
      no priviledged parking spots provided.
      no naps on the clock.

      Inquire at your local Post Office. Ask to speak with the senior craft worker available.

      A 3 minute interview will follow and you’ll be told at once if you have what it takes to join the men and woman who TOUCH THE MAIL.

    • jack says:

      Hey MH…
      Speaking of viable solutions ….
      It’s spelled “AREN’T” …not “ARENT”.
      As for time cards..and vacation scheduling ….this was a function that I performed for many years as a clerk /timekeeper …UNTIL…this type of function was given to management.
      As for your example of mail incorrectly delivered….I used to deal with it (as a window clerk) in the following way….
      I either called the carrier “up front” to the window area to speak (and explain) DIRECTLY to the customer….or….I had the customer phone later in the day (when I KNEW the carrier would be in the office) and had the carrier explain DIRECTLY to the customer “what the story was”.
      Bottom line…all employees should be responsible to the customers for their actions.

  48. rick says:

    Any offer, if one ever comes, should involve carriers, rest have already been offered incentives to leave, while carriers were told in their vera what the penalty would be for leaving early. There are carriers such as myself who would love to go and are not eligible, not yet 60, not 30 yrs but still under csrs. Show me a way to the door and dont get between me and that door!!

  49. The Worker says:

    (typo fixed reply)

    You are right. People who TOUCH THE MAIL do need secretaries. Put an ad in the USA Today. Include all the tasks listed above + that listed below:

    Postal Secretary Wanted: wage $12-14 hourly, must work weekends and nights, 30 min. lunch, must deal with the public in a professonial manner.

    no supervision required as the carriers/clerks know what to do.
    no personal phone calls made on the clock.
    no priviledged parking spots provided.
    no naps on the clock.

    Inquire at your local Post Office. Ask to speak with the senior craft worker available. A 3 minute interview will follow and you’ll be told at once if you have what it takes to join the men and woman who TOUCH THE MAIL.

    • Scoot says:

      You know, I was a paper delivery boy when I was 10. I think I made about 2 bucks a day. Be thankful you are making $50K + for the same job skill set.

      How about this. Set an example by doing your job to the best of your ability and maybe, just maybe, THAT will rub off on others instead of stirring the pot and causing others to be as miserable as you are.

      • leebren says:

        Always do my job well, it’s Postal managment that is always trying to make me do it their way, which any carrier will tell you, takes alot longer and is not efficient. Not all of us want to work overtime everyday, some of want to work our shifts and have a life outside the PO too.

      • prettygal says:

        Scoot!! That’s a good one!

  50. jack says:

    And speaking of spell check…
    Remember when people were educated enough to spell correctly without having to rely on a computer “system” to correct the spelling.

  51. Jerry H says:

    I heard today, Tuesday March 20, 2012, that a meeting between the USPS and the APWU scheduled for Friday March 23rd has been re-scheduled for Friday March 30th. The real question for the USPS is how many more hours of 340 time can be paid to employees for doing nothing at work verses giving employees an incentive to retire?

  52. Retired1 says:

    I left in 2009 before they offered an incentive. I was FERS, 24 years of service. We got our house paid off in 2007 and by 2009, even with a great job, my heart wasn’t in it anymore. I’m glad to be gone, only because of the tension in the air, even in 2009. Things were getting bad then and are worse now. The smartest thing we did was not spend everything we made so we could pay the house off early and not be forced to stay for financial reasons. I love USPS, but it stopped being a good place to work some time ago.

  53. mh says:

    If the only criticism you have to offer to my posts is the fact I am more worried about the content then the presentation, then my points must be valid. “The worker”…you obviously don’t have a response to ANY of my points, only stating the obvious issues you have with YOUR managers…and “jack”, how often do those customers come to the window when the carrier is there…and how does the NALC view making carriers do that? Not very favorably when I have tried that technique…”That’s a management function”. The point is, we ALL have a lot of functions in our work. Pinning all the blame on “management” is a cop out, just like my blaming a carriers lack of “professionalism” for mis-delivering mail…maybe the box isn’t marked, or a number fell off, or the DPS sort plan is inaccurate. “Search for a solution, rather than focus on the mistake” was advice given to me by a very dedicated 35 year Postal employee over 20 years ago, and I try and live that daily in my postal duties.

  54. mbcjr says:

    Why all the fuss about spelling, and opinions? Their worth just what we’re paying for them, $0.00. It should all be over this time next year. Sit back and enjoy life & forget about it, there’s nothing we can do about it :)

  55. florida postal worker says:

    that’s the point… we CAN do something. call your senators to support whatever legislation you support. mine is S – 1789… we can have input…senators listen to volumes of calls. it couldn’t hurt to voice your opinion.

    • mbcjr says:

      OK, maybe things changed in the past 30 yrs. Maybe all union members or at least most actually think of the union body and not themselves. Certainly never hurts to keep trying, maybe them senators & such will remember us after their in office. What do you think? Obama is a good example isn’t he?

      Later it is what it is :)

  56. Larry Corleone says:

    Are no union members eligible?

    • missouri gal says:

      march 30th sounds like the right day. that’s 90 days until june 30th, the day they want us off the rolls. alan, you might have been right. why did you pick march 23rd, as opposed to march 3o th, the more logical date.? just curious.

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